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Date: 2004-01-09 02:31 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Seems to me both "endianity" and "endianness" are correct, but there's no reason in the world why you couldn't just write "byte order".

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Richard

Date: 2004-01-09 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onebyone.livejournal.com

there's no reason in the world

Unless you're not talking about byte order. The concept also applies to dates, in which case 2004-01-09 is big endian, 9 January 2004 is little endian, and January 9, 2004 is middle endian. And eggs.

Date: 2004-01-09 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
January 9, 2004 is middle endian

And it was all going so well.

Date: 2004-01-09 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onebyone.livejournal.com

The point being that anything middle endian is automatically Just Wrong.

Date: 2004-01-09 02:57 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] jiggery-pokery.livejournal.com
*convulses with laughter, nearly falls off chair*

Date: 2004-01-09 02:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bateleur.livejournal.com
Like the US ?

But seriously - it should be clear that big endian things are daft too. The only thing which persuades us even for a moment that big endian makes any sense at all is that we write big numbers with most significant digit on the left and yet we enumerate lists left to right.

Little endian is the One True Way. I want my entire computer to just store ONE BIG NUMBER !

(Plus, furthermore, "Ten little, nine little..." etc. !)

Date: 2004-01-09 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onebyone.livejournal.com

The only thing which persuades us even for a moment that big endian makes any sense at all is that we ...

... want to be able to read our own data off a memory dump.

And yes, on balance of things we should bite the bullet and use little endian machines, but at least there's an argument to have. American dates are just rubbish.

Big endian dates (2004-01-09) are vastly preferable to little endian dates (09/01/2004) given that we use a big endian numeral system, because it means you have an outside chance of being able to sort them.

Date: 2004-01-09 04:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arralethe.livejournal.com
I feel I have to point out here that teh song (which, thanks to you, [livejournal.com profile] bateleur, I have been humming all morning, actually starts little endian - as in, "One little, two little, three little endians".

Date: 2004-01-09 03:00 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hmm. But if I observe that the US writes dates middle endian then no-one will know what I mean.


If, however, I point out that December 8 (as opposed to 8 December) is Just Wrong, I'm probably onto a better thing. December 8 means the 8th (instance of) December, like in Henry VII or Omen III, not the 8th (day of) December.

And if I see "best before January 04" on a US-bought lunch, would that mean it's 5 days out of date or I've got until the end of the month to eat it?

And all you BBC newsreaders: it's 11/9, not 9/11!!


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Richard

Date: 2004-01-09 03:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onebyone.livejournal.com

if I observe that the US writes dates middle endian then no-one will know what I mean.

Possibly, but if they're not American they will still somehow instinctively know that it's Just Wrong.

best before January 04

I don't know how Americans write best before dates, but possibly they match our style and write "best before end" if they mean the end of the month. Note that even in British English, "best before January 2004" clearly means that you should finish it up by New Year's Eve 2003, since January is not before January.

In any case, Americans don't generally use "January 04" for the fourth day of January, they use "January 4".

Date: 2004-01-09 02:59 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] jiggery-pokery.livejournal.com
That's a rare one - a proper .sig separator on LiveJournal!

(How many points must that be worth for I-Spy LJ?)

Date: 2004-01-09 03:09 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
> How many points must that be worth for I-Spy LJ?

25

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Richard.

Date: 2004-01-09 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bateleur.livejournal.com
It took me more than a minute to work out how it was possible for a normal space to get rendered at the end of a line like that !

I shall deduct 10 HTML geek points from myself for taking so long to work it out.

Date: 2004-01-09 04:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
Woohoo :)

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