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Tuesday night was MTV2's 5th birthday party. It had it at Brixton Academy. Jamie and Claudia promised me there'd be cake. There wasn't.

Instead, there was just a bunch of bands.

The Rapture
Owing to the doors of the venue opening at 6, by the time I'd made it across Reading, to Paddington, and across London to Brixton, the first band was well and truly over. So I have no idea. If their album is anything to go by, they probably sounded a bit like early 80s-Cure.

The Thrills
If you'd invited me down the local pub to see your best mate's band, and they'd sounded like The Thrills, I'd have been dead impressed. Sadly, you expect a bit more from a band playing somewhere like this.

As far as I can tell, they are inoffensive, and sound a little like everyone else. ChrisC and Jamie tell me they sound exactly like The Bluetones (with whom I'm not terribly familiar).

The Darkness
I've read a little bit about The Darkness, and was expecting a certain amount of silliness, but, above all, irony. Wrong. The Darkness have decided that there is still a niche in this world for spandex-clad, big-haired glam-rock, and are going for it unreservedly. And they mean it, and they seem to be having an enormous amount of fun.

And so, in the grand tradition of the likes of Mötley Crüe, we have songs with big, fat riffs you could build houses on, squealing vocals and, of course, silly trousers. I enjoyed them immensely - looking round the audience at one point at the end of a song, everyone I could see was grinning happily.

And of course, the reason that their glam is going to be better than it was in the 80s is that these days we have decent radio mikes. So when you get to the 5-minute guitar-wank solo, it turns out that the guitarist is actually in the middle of the audience, being carried along on someone's shoulders. Respect.

[livejournal.com profile] bateleur, if you aren't aware of this band, get your bum down to your local record shop at your earliest possible convenience. I think you'd like them. Although, to be honest, I'm expecting a recording to the vastly inferior to the live performance.

The The Music
Since I only knew two singles, I'd availed myself of ChrisC's offer to borrow the The The Music album. And listened to it, and decided that knowing the two singles was probably enough, as the rest of the album sounded pretty much the same. There is very much a The The Music "sound", and, while I quite like it, I find it a little samey after a time.

I enjoyed their set, though not quite as much as the entirely manic bloke just behind us. The building already seemed to be beginning to empty out by this time... we managed to walk down towards the stage when The The Music came on without any of the usual pushing and shoving.

The Jane's Addiction
Surprise Headline Act Number 1. I can't help noticing that the other four bands are bands du jour. The Jane's Addiction are more of a band de la derniere siècle.

As with all the rest of the evening's bands, I'm not hugely familiar with their music, I only really know Ritual de lo Habitual. And I don't think that helped; much of their stuff is, I suspect, difficult to appreciate live if you don't know it.

Oddly, the mixing desk appeared to be on the stage, being operated by the singer (who, incidentally, gets the evening's Dave Vanian award for unnecessary leaping about the stage). And I'm not sure he got it right... a lot of the time, the vocals were so far down in the mix as to be inaudible, and too much of the guitar was lost as well.

I'd been looking forward to seeing these guys and, to be honest, I was a little disappointed. Kudos to them for having the Biggest Drumkit In The World (Ever) - so much so that Jamie and I gave it a round of applause as it was wheeled in - and also for using a steel drum. And I quite enjoyed the set, but it was in many ways just a bit lacklustre. And Been Caught Stealing (three songs in) was really something of a disappointment, being, among other things, near-unrecognisable at first.


On the way down to London, I realised that I didn't have a book or anything with me. Fortunately, the previous occupant of my seat had left me their paper. Unfortunately, this left me with an unpalatable choice: nothing to read til Padding, or read the Daily Mail.

To be fair, I haven't read the Daily Mail much, and am mostly anti it on hearsay, so thought it ought to be given a chance. As far as I can tell, it's poorly written, dogmatic[*], alarmist and patronising. I wasn't impressed. Worst of all, the letters page contained a reader-submitted limerick which is one of the poorest I've ever heard.

A bloke on the tube seemed to have a tabloid-sized copy of the Independent, though. Cracking idea, that - broadsheets have always been a bugger to read, unless you happen to be a gibbon.

[*]on reflection, I meant didactic here. But quite possibly dogmatic too.

Date: 2003-10-02 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onebyone.livejournal.com

Jane's Addiction are having a revival at the moment - they have a recent single and presumably also a new album. So that's why they get to headline.

Date: 2003-10-02 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] floralaetifica.livejournal.com
(smug mode)
The Darkness are friends of my sister's. She may be living with the drummer this year.
(/smug mode)

Date: 2003-10-02 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bateleur.livejournal.com
Is that as in 'living with' - or is she just occupying one of the other rooms in the house he won't be in because he's always somewhere else ?

Date: 2003-10-02 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] floralaetifica.livejournal.com
In the sense of housemates. They were thinking about sharing a house in London. Her actual other half, incidentally, co-wrote one of GnR's songs. I forget which one, I think it might have been Anything Goes or something near it on the playlist.

She leads a rock and roll life, my sister.

Date: 2003-10-02 04:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bateleur.livejournal.com
I think it might have been Anything Goes

Wow - she's dating a guy in his 40s ? <grin>

Date: 2003-10-02 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] floralaetifica.livejournal.com
35 - he's 10 years older than her. She had to date a man that much older to close the yawning age gap formed by all the younger men I've dated :)

But you make a good point, and now I think about it it may have been his best friend who wrote it. I can't keep up with her tales of debauchery.

Date: 2003-10-02 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beckyc.livejournal.com
I've come to wish you an unhappy birthday

Er, you have read some of my more recent entries right?

Date: 2003-10-02 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
Actually, no, I haven't. I've been quite busy, and haven't really been keeping up with people's LJs.

Apologies if that was a bit close to the mark for you. It was really wasn't intentional.

<hugs> to you, and I hope things brighten up soon :)

Date: 2003-10-02 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] timeplease.livejournal.com
Have you seen The Darkness' video for "I believe in a thing called love"? Wonderfully silly. Played a lot on MTV2 at the moment (we watch it in the mornings while we're cleaning the pub).

Date: 2003-10-02 06:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
I don't think so, no. I saw a video for, er, something else, which featured a terrifying amount of pink leopardskin (ie. any), though.

Date: 2003-10-02 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bateleur.livejournal.com
I think you'd like them.

I've heard quite a bit of their stuff. TBH they're not exactly my thang - they've got the same playing style as a lot of those bands, but no sign of composition skills AFAICS. Also, everyone says they're awesome live and I've only heard recordings.

They certainly liven up the radio in the morning, though !

Date: 2003-10-02 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lathany.livejournal.com
Jamie and Claudia promised me there'd be cake. There wasn't.

That in itself would spell disappointment for me. But then I've often been accused of having an unreasonable addiction to cake.

Date: 2003-10-02 03:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
I've often been accused of having an unreasonable addiction to cake

Or at least an unreasonable approach to spelling :)

Date: 2003-10-02 04:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liriselei.livejournal.com

Jamie and Claudia promised me there'd be cake. There wasn't.
by the time I'd made it
<snip> to Brixton, the first band was well and truly over.

so maybe there was cake, but you missed it ?


Date: 2003-10-02 04:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
If there'd been cake and they didn't tell me..

Boy, there'll be trouble :)

Date: 2003-10-02 05:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] addedentry.livejournal.com
I wrote to the 'reader's editor' of The Guardian years ago to ask when they would institute a tabloid edition, but was rebuffed. Media Guardian, therefore, bitched about The Independent's decision, claiming that it's a desperate gimmick when their sales are the lowest of any national paper.

Apparently the tabloid alternative is only available inside the M25. I can't think of a single advantage of broadsheets.

Date: 2003-10-02 05:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onebyone.livejournal.com

Snobbery's an advantage - broadsheets make it clear that you're reading a real newspaper.

Or rather, that you're flailing ineffectually at a real newspaper as it writhes violently in the draught from the window before carpeting the carriage. But it's a point of principle, and you've won a moral victory.

Date: 2003-10-02 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] addedentry.livejournal.com
Oh, I don't need broadsheets for snobbery. The Economist refers to itself as a newspaper.

Date: 2003-10-02 06:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
My mother (who among her other job-requirements has to lay-out broadsheet newspages) once explained to me why it wouldn't be possible to shrink a broadsheet to tabloid size due to lay-out issues. Sadly, I've forgotten what she said.

(Not, of course, that this would be the only reason you might get rebuffed).

If you're there, mum, can you explain this one, and do you want me to send you a diddy Independent for evalutaion porpoises ?

Date: 2003-10-02 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] addedentry.livejournal.com
I reckon it's because broadsheets use very long words that won't fit across a tabloid page.

The Independent's temporary dual existence does provide a Bishop Berkeley style refutation of layout arguments (-:

Date: 2003-10-02 05:43 am (UTC)
ext_44: (treguard)
From: [identity profile] jiggery-pokery.livejournal.com
Jamie and Claudia promised me there'd be cake.

Perhaps Jamie and Claudia promised you there'd be Cake, but in the end, they didn't make it out of Sacramento?

Date: 2003-10-02 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It's simply that tabloid layout tends to militate against anything of any length because people hate "turn to page 5". Tabloids do length and "in depth" (and I say this as someone who, today, laid out 166 column centimetres of nothing but autumn sheep sales!). At least the one you saw is a tabloid alongside the broadsheet version; normally, going tabloid is the first step on the downhill run for quality news provision. BTW, the N Orleans paper you brought, and many local papers on the continent (mainland) have a sort of tabloid which is taller and narrower than ours and they manage to look v sober. Also BTW, siecle is masc (and this damn thing won't do accents) so its du (i.e. of) or de le (from the). Yup, our kid, I can do French grammar,too.

En Français ?

Date: 2003-10-02 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bateleur.livejournal.com
Sadly, nobody else can do French grammar ! A quick Google search reveals 72900 hits for "fin de siecle" compared to 41500 for "fin du siecle". So it looks like the correct form is losing the battle.

But we can't blame the ignorance of the general public here. Apparently it's wrong in the dictionary !

Date: 2003-10-03 01:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onebyone.livejournal.com
You can do accents by typing &egrave; (for è), &eacute; (for é), &ecirc; (for ê), &ccedil; (for ç), &Egrave; (for È), &euml; (for ë) etc.

Note in each case that the semi-colon is part of the character code, not part of my dodgy list formatting.

Date: 2003-10-03 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
In a senior moment (pension-agers are allowed these) I typed 'tabloids do length ...' when I obviously meant broadsheets. I blame being cross-eyed after screens and screen of sheep prices. I always thought fin de siecle was sort of franglais anyway as it seems to be a peculiarly English usage, mostly for decadence at the end of the 19th century, in spite of Victoria being good and royal and not amused. Would Venta explain to her Aged P the symbol following the 8 for accents, which looks on my screen like a deformed e. I'm used to simple things like e.g. shift-control-single quote for an acute on my customised Word at work.

Date: 2003-10-03 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
The thing following the 8?
Deformed e?

You've lost me, I'm afraid. Your screen must be displaying differently to mine in some weird way.

If you're talking about Onebyone's instructions above, then he's writing mark-up for the accents which will work with html (ie will work for comments here).

So if you want to type "siècle", you actually type in the characters

si&egrave;cle - and once you've posted it, the weird cack in the middle between the & and the ; will have magically become an e with a grave accent. It's much more of a faff than adding accents in Word or such.



Date: 2003-10-04 03:29 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
OK, so the 8 has a sort of tiny, italic, lower case c attached to its lower right side, or the e has similar attached to its front, whichever. METS I can do, Quark Xpress I can do and I've got a full house of CLAIT modules, but I'm a net virgin (so to speak).

Date: 2003-10-05 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Experiment following phone conversation & your reply above: siècle

Date: 2003-10-05 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
Hurray. So not all of technology has been suspended for our inconvenience :)

Date: 2003-10-05 02:44 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
So it does work, thanks, But symbol in earlier comment looks nothing like an ampersand on my screen

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