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Probably of no interest to anyone who doesn't live in Oxford. Possibly of not much interest to anyone who does, either :)

Walking along Cornmarket yesterday evening, we overheard someone saying "But what is it ? Is it art ? No, it's bollocks."

They were talking about the extremely peculiar benches which have appeared. There's several of them, on both sides of Cornmarket. A sort of upright, with chrome and wood benches down one side, and chrome and wood... things down the other. The things are nearly benches, but are too high, and utterly the wrong shape. Does anyone know what they are ? Or possibly why they are.

If there's anyone in the area with a camera who can provide a photo, that'd help immensely here :)

And this morning, on Cowley Rd, I observed in the window of the empty shop opposite Boots the plans for the Cowley Rd redevelopment. Which were actually quite interesting. They seem to be based round making it a more people-orientated and safer place but - get this - seem to have finally noticed that reducing parking and slapping down sleeping policemen doesn't actually make the cars go away. From a quick skim through, it actually sounded like they might make a sensible job of it. Brief summary of what I can remember:


  • Put crossings in places people want to cross. This applies particularly to the zebra down by the Plain. Move/ditch some of the traffic islands which make it difficult for buses to get through.

  • Stop people parking too close to junctions. Mark out proper bays where people can park.

  • More cycle lanes/signs warning motorists to watch out for bikes.

  • Impose 20mph speed limit. (Hardly relevant in the day at present, but people go along like bats out of hell at night)

  • Put the bus stops closer to the places people want to go - like Tescos - and make them long enough for more than one bus at once.

  • Widen pavements where possible, and make sure bike racks don't block pavements.



All pretty common-sense stuff, you'd think. There's also a plan to have some form of symbolic 'gateway', to be decided with local artists, at either end of the main shopping part of the road. This is supposed to make motorists more aware that they're entering an area of a slightly different nature. I'm imagining them doing something similar in principle to the big gateways at either end of Mumblemumble Street (Gerard ?) in Chinatown in Soho. I rather like this idea. Cowley Rd is a good place, and I think it should be celebrated.

I was planning to recommend everyone go to http://www.eastoxford.com and have a look at the plans, but it appears that that site has expired :( Have a look if you're on Cowley Rd, though.


Oh, and Joe Jackson is great. I sporadically forget this, but am currently remembering.

Date: 2004-04-19 03:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bateleur.livejournal.com
All pretty common-sense stuff, you'd think

Actually I disagree with quite a bit of it...

Put crossings in places people want to cross

On that kind of road it won't make much difference. Whenever traffic is very slow, people will cross anyway.

Stop people parking too close to junctions.

This is already illegal. Why not try actually prosecuting the people who do it ?

Mark out proper bays where people can park

These already exist, so implicitly this is: "allocate more parking". Or, to put it another way: "reduce pavement space". (Can't reduce the road space because it's already as narrow as it can be and still get buses up it.)

More cycle lanes/signs warning motorists to watch out for bikes.

As a cyclist I'm dead against this. Cycle lanes invariably get blocked by things and then the motorists are surprised when the bikes leave their lane.

Impose 20mph speed limit.

WTF for ? Yes, people go too fast down that road, but they're not sticking to 30 !

Widen pavements where possible

See earlier comment (Taking space from the road ? There isn't any spare !)

The relocation of bus stops is the only bit I like the sound of, in fact !

Date: 2004-04-19 03:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smiorgan.livejournal.com
The things are nearly benches, but are too high, and utterly the wrong shape. Does anyone know what they are ? Or possibly why they are.

It's obvious, silly! They're makeshift market stalls for local squirrels and rodents, to help them get a foot into Oxford's cut-and-thrust haberdashery business.

<sings> Or maybe midgets. </sings>

Date: 2004-04-19 04:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wimble.livejournal.com
Certainly, if they get rid of some of the traffic islands, it'll improve the flow of traffic. There are many occasions when a vehicle (frequently a badly parked car) leaves too little room for a bus to get between it and the traffic island in the middle of the road, and all the traffic just stops, while the bus driver attempts to squeeze through.

Easing that up will mean that the traffic does flow faster, and there will be fewer slow times for pedestrains to safely cross, without some kind of regulation.

Date: 2004-04-19 04:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smiorgan.livejournal.com
Cycle lanes? No way. Cycle lanes turn responsible motorists into sanctemoneous wankers. And they get parked on by the kind of wanker who thinks hazard lights are a sign that "I am about to make an illegal manoever".

Cycle signs? Better idea - especially ones that read "coppers cycle up and down this road, day and night".

As for the rest of it - signs that say "vehicles left here will be clamped" for those spots where the buses pass the traffic islands would be a good thing, except for the fact that if you clamp an offending vehicle, it then obstructs the bus. Better to have a bylaw that allows pedestrians to vandalise stupidly parked vehicles. Maybe with council-provided baseball bats. Perhaps the Mayor could inaugurate the scheme by bringing a gold-painted bat to the windscreen of a badly paked, bodykitted BMW with furry dice and a jeweled tissue box on the parcel shelf.

Date: 2004-04-19 04:52 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] strange-complex.livejournal.com
There's also a plan to have some form of symbolic 'gateway', to be decided with local artists, at either end of the main shopping part of the road.

This sounds great. It's very much in keeping with Roman uses of monumental arches to define 'special' spaces in their cities, and therefore I approve (on the grounds that anything Roman is good!).

Penny

Date: 2004-04-19 06:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] addedentry.livejournal.com
I've been away from Oxford too long to comment, except to say that the idea of gateways reminds me of the postcards you could once buy showing Cowley Road transformed into a beach. (Not yet Lib Dem policy?)

Date: 2004-04-19 07:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onebyone.livejournal.com
The ideas about cycle lanes and wider pavements seem to me to be incompatible. Cowley road isn't terribly wide anywhere, and I don't see how you can put a cycle lane in without getting the space from something else.

If they just mean on the approach to the Plain then I guess that could work, but outside Tesco, for instance, how are they going to fit in a cycle lane and still get two buses past each other, even if they have taken out the bollards?

Of course they could go for the Cycle Lane of Death ploy, by having a cycle lane that buses can use and that occasionally vanishes for short stretches at precisely the points where the road is too narrow for motorists to give cyclists enough room.

Date: 2004-04-19 11:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leathellin.livejournal.com
Having not seen the benches but read the descriptions I can hazard a guess for their strange design. You couldn't possibly sleep on one.
Same reason for the lovely comfortable benches in the Cowley park and the sloped lean on benches in the newer bus stops.

All very lovely.

Date: 2004-04-19 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mr-tom.livejournal.com
Cornmarket in 'being ugly' shocker.... :-)

Having not see these works of genius, I suspect that the unusual shape would be to stop tramps sleeping on them. That's why benches are usually mangled...

Suggested improvement for Cowley Rd:

* Ban sale of Tennent's Super and Carlsberg Special Brew for 2 miles around.

Oxford-related developments

Date: 2004-04-20 01:15 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] strange-complex.livejournal.com
By the way, those who are generally interested in this sort of thing might enjoy being members of the
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By the way, those who are generally interested in this sort of thing might enjoy being members of the <a href="http://www.oxfordbusiness.info/civic/index.htm"?>Oxford Civic Society</a>, which exists precisely to make sure the good folk of Oxford town get their say about it. And to run enjoyable days out along the lines of walking around Oxford and being told by knowledgable people about the historic features it has.

It only costs £5 a year to be a member, too.

By the way, I have no financial stake in this organisation or anything: I'm just a member myself, and happen to think it is a Jolly Good Thing.

Penny

Date: 2004-04-20 06:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grumpeh.livejournal.com
Excuse the randomness of my appearance - I'm having a slow day so I'm poking around other Oxfordian's LJs.

The OCC website has this page on the Cornmarket Tombstones (http://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/index/travel/transportdevelopment/majorprojects-4/cornmarket_refurbishment/street_furniture.htm). Not found a website yet that explains why they cost twice as much...

Date: 2004-04-21 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] narenek.livejournal.com
Having taken a detour through Cornmarket yesterday to examine the items in question (and to get some cash from the bank), I propose that they are designed for the younger element of society to slouch or lean against. Thus enabling them loiter without having to lean against shop windows and the like.

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