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Last night I finally got round to it: I put my CDs into alphabetical order. I've resisted for a long time, but fundamentally, I couldn't find things any more.

It's not too bad: I didn't religiously order my CDs within artists. They're in approximate release order, but only so far as I could manage it without checking the dates. And compilations are at present all jumbled together, as I went to bed before doing anything other than bunging them on the shelves.

I may yet alter my policy, as at present all styles are mixed up together. Not a problem, in general, but it does mean I've filed Classical by composer, while everything else is filed by artist. And of course, it's common to find CDs with the works of more than one composer on. I've not yet come up with a good solution to this; suggestions welcome.

And yes, there were the standard problems: Does the best of Debbie Harry and Blondie go under B or H ? Do 4ft Fingers go under F, or in a numbers section before A ? I decided there was only one solution to this: it's my collection, I'll put them where I'd look for them. Andy accused me of being girly and irrational about some of my decisions - notably putting Dr John under D, and Andrew WK under A. I did resist the unjustifiable urge to file PJ Harvey under P, though.

I can also report (unsurprisingly) that I buy more albums recorded by artists whose names begin with S than any other letter. The C pile was the same height, but contained slightly fewer albums, owing to Nick Cave's habit of putting albums in big fat cardboard covers.

Incidentally: does anyone have my copy of D.U.S.T's From The Sublime To The Obscene ?

In recent weeks I've had the same conversation, independently, with a series of people. Numerous helpful souls have suggested that I buy some CD wallets, ditch the CD jewel cases, and save space that way. Today, someone went one step further, suggesting spindle-style CD cases, and throwing away the sleevenotes altogether (which is what he has done).

This is Just Wrong. It is, in fact, so Wrong as to have gone way past Wrong and into Criminal. Once a CD is out of its case, the music leaks out and sloshes about everywhere, and (particularly without sleevenotes) becomes all unidentifiable.

Yes, I appreciate that it's a space-saving policy. In the same way that ripping the hardcovers off books, or aputating your housemates' limbs is a space-saving policy. I can't believe I appear to be the only person who's realised this.

Date: 2004-02-17 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kissifa.livejournal.com
Question: Is there a separate pile for the CDs you've borrowed off other people to go into, or do they seamlessly meld into your collection? Cause if the latter is the case then when they're returned your collection might have sad lonely holes in it where good music once was. It will be quite heart-breaking.

Also, I passed my 'Eyes of Alice Cooper' Album onto your velvet housemate - so it should be somewhere in your house, if not already in your possession.

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Date: 2004-02-17 03:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
Borrowed CDs live in a separate pile. I've also left firebreaks in the collection to try and minimise damage caused by new purchases/CDs suddenly located down the back of the sofa.

Thanks for the Alice Cooper - I shall query said velvety entity and demand its immediate presentation.

Re: The letter S.

Date: 2004-02-17 03:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zotz
It is definitely the case that more good music is made by people and bands whose names begin with S than any other.

Why this might be escapes me.

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Date: 2004-02-17 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] verlaine.livejournal.com
The mere existence of Slipknot, surely?

I knew someone who made a similar claim but about the letter B... despite this being both statistically unlikely and patently absurd.

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Date: 2004-02-17 03:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davefish.livejournal.com
Today, someone went one step further, suggesting spindle-style CD cases, and throwing away the sleevenotes altogether (which is what he has done).

The man is obviously ill! The shiny things will be screaming in sleevenoteless agony.

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Date: 2004-02-17 03:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
Indeed :)

I also found a St Eve single which is something to do with you - can you remind me whether it was a freebie you passed on, or a loan I was meant to give back, please ?

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Date: 2004-02-17 03:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blackmetalbaz.livejournal.com
If it's any consolation, your ordering system is unlikely to be any more anal than mine. First of all, everything's separated by format - vinyl, cassette, DVD and video obviously, but also jewel cases, digipaks, slimline CDs, slipcases etc. Then everything's alphabetical by artist (ignoring the word 'the' - except in the case of The The - but not the word 'a'), chronological within an artist. Compilations go at the end, with tribute albums to an artist after that (all other compilations under 'various artists'). I always use surnames, including Andrew WK. In the case of composers, I guess I consider them in the same light as 'tribute albums', where there can be many artists but one composer, so I list them under the composer's name. I put numbers in amongst the rest alphabetically. I'm not sure I have a consistent method for things like Debbie Harry - I think I have Julian Cope and the Teardrop Explodes under C, but Iggy and the Stooges under S. Actually that quite irritates me. I'll have to go and reorganise now :-/

My most common letter is M.

And I agree about the CD wallet idea - that's heathenish. It's also at least part of the reason why I don't copy or download music.

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Date: 2004-02-17 03:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
Slipcases are a pain; I've yet to decide properly what to do with them.

Singles I've kept separately, too, regardless of size-of-case. I was aiming for ease of location of required disc, not logic and rationalness :)

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Date: 2004-02-17 03:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
n the case of composers, I guess I consider them in the same light as 'tribute albums', where there can be many artists but one composer, so I list them under the composer's name.

Actually, that's not a bad justification for it. I may steal it :)

Not that I actually own any tribute albums, I don't think.

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CD Wallets

Date: 2004-02-17 03:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] triskellian
Evidence for the Just Plain Wrongness of CD wallets is that they are cunningly made of stuff to which it's impossible to stick any sticky substance, and they don't come with convenient clear plastic slots for the insertion of identification information. So if you have more than one wallet worth of CDs, you have to open every single one of the damn things before you find the one you want. And if your CD collection is actually quite small, and mixed up with a much, much larger one (according to some scheme which is usually, but not always, alphabetical), the end result is that you only listen to CDs which have somehow escaped the wallets. But maybe that's just me ;-)

Date: 2004-02-17 04:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kauket.livejournal.com
I had my cd's in a case for a while, after dragging them to the states. But then a month before we move out our house I decide to put them all back in their boxes. Duh...

My videos used to be alphabetical, but I keep them in genre now (or did when they weren't packed up) so if I was after a chick flick I could compare all I had and then pick the one I wanted, without feeling I might've missed something. Not sure it'd work with cd's, but I do have my jazz and blues and classical stuff seperated from my indie-shite :)


Date: 2004-02-17 04:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] broadmeadow.livejournal.com
I have my CDs listed by artist, generally following the artist-sequencing favoured by the Guinness Book of British Hit Singles: ignore 'The' and 'A', sort by surname or band name.

Having differing names for exactly the same band is awkward: favour the one you have most of, I guess.

Compilations go separately, listed by compilation title.

But this is hardly anal, oh no. Next stage is to look at all the CDs cluttering up your room and decide you want (a) any arbitrary orderings you chose - _simulataneoulsy_, and (b) all that space back. The point I became officially anal was when I put all of these CDs on a server, catalogued them all and generated millions of playlists based on various different criteria (original CD, tracks by artist, tracks by name, chronological order, etc, plus any old playlist I choose to make up). I haven't scanned the artwork and notes yet - perhaps I should! Anyway - the less commonly listened to CDs are now in boxes in the loft to make some space, and the entire collection can be accessed anywhere in the house.

But I should probably have got out more.

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Date: 2004-02-17 04:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
put all of these CDs on a server

Well, that's less Wrong, but it's still a bit... you know... dubious.

As you're probably aware, I'm slowly managing to stick my entire CD collection on my harddrive at work, but that's very definitely an as-well, not an instead-of. And it saves me carting CDs backwards and forwards every day to listen to while I'm here.

Date: 2004-02-17 04:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
Other random trivia which may well not interest anyone:

O and Q both have only one CD in them (Carmina Burana, by Orff, and Plenty, by Quicksilver.)

U and Z both have only two (Ultrasound and Unbelivable Truth, Zombina & The Skeletones and Rob Zombie. Admittedly I have exacerbated this by filing the two Union discs under B; they were singles anyway.)

I own no CDs recorded by an artist beginning with X.

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Date: 2004-02-17 04:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blackmetalbaz.livejournal.com
I have albums by at least two artists beginning with X off the top of my head (Xastur and Xytras), several with Z (Rob Zombie, Zyklon, Zyklon-B etc), lots under O and U (Opeth, Orff, Officium Triste, Old Man's Child, Old Forest etc and Ulver, Usurper, Unholy, U2 etc) but the only Q I can think of off the top of my head is Queen. Oh, and Queens of the Stone Age. And Quorthon. Oh, I'll shut up...

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Date: 2004-02-17 05:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cuthbertcross.livejournal.com
When living in Norwich in a room 8ft by ten, I decided I missed my CD collection and decided to sell my soul to caselogic. I bought 6 of the 72-holding CD cases ,and after a bit of experimenting ended up with 36 cds in each; each slipcase front cover is in the top pocket and each CD is in the bottom pocket. The whole case is seven inches wide-ish. I decided to sort by genre rather than A-Z so have one marked Folk, one classical, one pop, one rock, one Film, one CD singles. I bought a £30 black "slim" bookcase from Argos which fits them in beautifully.
The upside- when one runs out of room I buy another for that genre. Also no-one who steals them would be able to sell them on easily without the covers.
The downside- I have the back of the CD case slips in a box at the back of the cupboard "just in case" I decide to go back to cases, but some CDs don't have a track listing on the CD itself or the front slipbook.
Good luck!

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Date: 2004-02-17 05:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] triskellian
one marked Folk...
How do you mark them? [livejournal.com profile] smiorgan's resist all attempts at marking :-(

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Just to complicate things...

Date: 2004-02-17 05:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inskauldrak.livejournal.com
PJ Harvey, whilst being the name of dear Polly Harvey, was also used as the collective group name for some albums ; )

I agree on the sleevnotes front btw!

Date: 2004-02-17 05:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smiorgan.livejournal.com
My music is in psychological order.

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Date: 2004-02-17 05:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leathellin.livejournal.com
That is usually how my books are ordered. And my CD's. Both things are a bit out of order at the moment though.
The books are higher on the to do list though.

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Date: 2004-02-17 05:54 am (UTC)
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After many years trying to workably sort my CDs (they're nothing like as sortable as vinyl records), I finally found a workable system: rip them to MP3 or Ogg and let the computer sort the directory for me.

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Date: 2004-02-17 06:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
I'm curious: why are CDs less sortable than vinyl ?

I'd have thought they'd be easier, being more stackable. And easier to pull off shelves, which as everyone knows is really bloody difficult to do if you pack your records in tightly.

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Date: 2004-02-17 06:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] addedentry.livejournal.com
The sticking point for me is the 4AD axis, which needs a rock family tree of its own, diverging in all directions from the appropriately named Breeders to The Pixies, Throwing Muses, Belly, ect ect ad nauseam.

Date: 2004-02-17 11:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thegreenman.livejournal.com
You've just got no idea where my mind went when it saw that cut...

Date: 2004-02-17 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
My book collection is pretty un-ordered to the casual eye, but I usually know where everything is.

..and there is nothing more annoying than it not being there, so have you got my Alice in Wonderland/Through the looking Glass?
Spelunca

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Date: 2004-02-17 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
Not guilty; I've got mine here but not yours. Is yours small, red and hardback ? If so, try the small shelf above my desk (I don't think it's there, but it's where it would be if I did have it.)

By the way, I don't have the Kipling you thought I had either. But is that (http://www.theotherpages.org/poems/kipli05.html) the poem you wanted ?

Date: 2004-02-18 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wimble.livejournal.com
Just to add to the complication of composers/tributes etc: where do soundtracks belong?

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Date: 2004-02-18 03:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
Firmly in the compilation section which, as I said, I'm still unsure how to order.

Further trivia: I only own two soundtracks. (The Matrix and Pulp Fiction.)

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Date: 2004-02-18 05:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onebyone.livejournal.com
My system goes roughly like this (there's still some refinement to be done). Because of mp3s, it has to apply to single tracks as well as artists:

Named artists are sorted by surname. Fake titles don't count as names, so Dr. John is under D. I don't have anything by Andrew WK, but I'd probably put him under A on grounds that WK is not a surname. Rob Zombie I'm still debating - whatever I do he won't be next to White Zombie, so it doesn't really matter.

"X and the Ys" are filed under X, by surname if appropriate, unless I have other items by the same outfit under just the bandname, in which case they're moved. So the Bad Seeds are under C. Your Blondie example would be under B because they're also billed as Blondie.

I declare that there is no such thing as naming a band with the name of one person in it. So there is no means by which PJ Harvey can define herself to be in a band named "PJ Harvey" and thereby move herself to P. But if a band named itself after someone not in it, they wouldn't be sorted by the surname of that person.

Iggy Pop is currently under I, not necessarily for any good reason.

Classical music is by composer, unless the album is released under the name of some superstar soloist. Superstar orchestras don't count for this.

Soundtracks are sorted under the artist's name if its the work of a single artist (so Birdy is under G, Bladerunner is under V, Young Guns II is under B), or otherwise in their own section by name of film (so I'm guessing Young Guns would be under Y).

Compilations are dumped in a muddle at the end, with serial compilations (like Chilled Ibiza I and II) collected.

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Date: 2004-02-18 05:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
I declare that there is no such thing as naming a band with the name of one person in it.

I understood Inskauldrak to be saying that sometimes a band consisting of PJH and others went by the name of PJ Harvey. I filed Helen Love under H for this reason - despite HL being an individual, I believe HL is also the name of the band which she fronts.

Your system sounds reasonable, and in fact broadly what I was doing. Except with more justification and less "because it seemed like a good idea".

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Date: 2004-02-18 07:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grumblesmurf.livejournal.com
Before the house move mine were in alphabetical (by group name, or surname for an individual), and then mostly chronological order, with three exceptions:

(a) double CD cases which only fit into certain places in the racking, which necessitated moving other CDs by that artist into adjacent locations so there wasn't a break in sequence, even if this meant that there were occasional peculiarities where the C section was partly interrupted by Ds.

(b) compilations, soundtracks, and other such things live in a separate section, but again alphabetically/chronologically.

(c) singles, the boxes of box sets, overlarge cases and other such irritations lived on their own, precariously balanced on the top of the stacked racks. Again, alphabetically and chonologically except where space didn't permit.

Then of course I moved so all the CDs came out of their racks for easy storage and relocation. CDs belonging to herself also got mixed into the packing boxes, further muddying the waters.

Unpacking involved rapidly shoveling all the CDs first onto slim bookshelves (where it was decided that there wasn't enough shelf space and books should probably reside there instead) and then from there back into the CD racking. Order has not yet ensued, though this time round I am sorely tempted to file them in order of spine colour, running from white at one end through the spectrum finishing with black at the other. If nothing else it will while away an afternoon and it might just look aesthetically pleasing.

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