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venta ([personal profile] venta) wrote2012-02-02 03:13 pm
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She's lost control

There is something wrong with the world. In my day-job, I regularly use two different IDEs: Visual Studio and Eclipse. Because I'm like that, I have Eclipse set up to use Emacs as its text editor.

So, I'm regularly switching between environments with different key-bindings. In one IDE, I can sort out the indentation on code by hitting Ctrl-I. In the other, it's Ctrl-K Ctrl-F.

Here's the weird bit: Ctrl-K Ctrl-F is Visual Studio.

To anyone who has no idea what I'm talking about, the correct response is "wow, that's quite surprising, you'd expect it to be the other way round". If you want to make a more oblique comment, you could say http://xkcd.com/378/.

[identity profile] ar-gemlad.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 03:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh. I was whinging to [livejournal.com profile] ar_boblad about the shortcut keys in my library cataloguing software (e.g. Ctrl-S is 'copy subfield' and Ctrl-L is 'Save'). He responded with "Emacs", which shut me up.

[identity profile] venta.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
The one that really bugs me is Ctrl-F in Outlook... I always want it to do find-in-message, and instead it forwards the message.

[identity profile] zandev.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I wonder if that goes back to an even more retro interface: the ctrl-k something smacks of the old WordStar interface.

[identity profile] venta.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Could be...

Ctrl-K does seem to be some sort of general preface to say that you're going to be doing something code-formatty.

See also "comment out selected block": Ctrl-/ on Eclipsemacs, and Ctrl-K Ctrl-C on VS. (On Eclipsemacs, Ctrl-/ toggles, whereas you need Ctrl-K Ctrl-U to uncomment in VS...)

[identity profile] smiorgan.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 09:04 am (UTC)(link)
Ctrl-K insterts a hyperlink in some software (Freemind, OneNote, Word). Confusingly Cmd-K on a Mac connects to a server.

I sometimes hit the Windows key or Alt instead of Ctrl while my brain tries to adjust to windows first thing. A bit like trying to change gear by winding the window down when driving on the continent.

[identity profile] d-floorlandmine.livejournal.com 2012-02-05 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
A bit like trying to change gear by winding the window down when driving on the continent.
[mumble mumble shuffle]

[identity profile] undyingking.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 10:09 am (UTC)(link)
Mm, that sprung to my mind. Although what the line of descent is from WS to VS, I have no idea!

[identity profile] bateleur.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to say I don't really like multi-key shortcuts for anything that a single undo can revert.

But yes: "wow, that's quite surprising, you'd expect it to be the other way round".

[identity profile] bateleur.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Erm... when I say "multi-key" there I don't mean to include modifiers, obviously. :-)

[identity profile] nalsa.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd be more impressed if to save and exit in any microsoft product esc:x! worked. The number of times I've put that at the bottom of documents (in emails it's esc:x!sy) and not noticed until gone for review is... well, it's greater than null, anyway.

[identity profile] venta.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 09:31 am (UTC)(link)
I do find it slightly consoling that '/' lets you search for a string in Firefox. Though it'd be better if it let you do it more than once...