Youme knows what meyou wants

[venta]

A question about recently-renamed London venues...

Which do I want to do ? See a band at the HMV Forum (né Kentish Town Forum) on a Saturday night, or see the same band at The Relentless Garage (né The Garage, Islington) on a Sunday night.

I know the Forum is a decent enough venue. On the whole, though, I like small venues, which means the Garage might be a better bet. I'm not actually sure I've ever been to the Garage, though, even before it became Relentless; I've only ever seen bands in the upstairs-at-the-Garage, which was fairly tiny. Is it a nice place to catch a band ?

In other news, the band in question is Einstuerzende Neubauten, are you going to come too ? Although it seems I failed to write it up here, their gig at the Forum was my gig-of-the-year in 2008.

Very observant people will notice that I know the easy keyboard shortcut for e-acute, but do not know a similar easy keyboard shortcut for u-with-umlaut.

Comments

[bopeepsheep.livejournal.com]

ü. ü (if that resolves itself, as it might, & u uml.)

[venta.livejournal.com]

No, that's the HTML for it. I want a keyboard shortcut :)

(As in Ctrl-Alt-e, which plops e-acute into your textbox for you.)

[bopeepsheep.livejournal.com]

Oh, gotcha. I have so internalised the HTML that it's reflex now. Alt 0252 if you've got a numberpad. (I don't, which is why I use HTML!)

[venta.livejournal.com]

Nope, still no good :)

The reason I want a keyboard shortcut is because it works in other applications besides webpage textboxes. Ctrl-Alt-e works across a wide range of things, including, say, Word - where HTML is no good, and the Alt shortcuts don't work either.

Also, Alt-0252 is only one fewer keystrokes than ü and considerably less memorable, so barely a shortcut :)

Except now I come to try it, the most recent version of word gives you a bastard Euro symbol on Ctrl-Alt-e, so it looks like the only one I did know is now less useful than it used to be :(

[bopeepsheep.livejournal.com]

I used to memorise the Alt numbers, because in WordPerfect c.1994 it was the best option available! At that time you could also create the character in Word IIRC, or did we do it in a text doc and copy it into Word? I forget. That was Word 6, anyway. Lots of things were broken in that but some things worked better than they ever have done since. :)

Insert Symbol works perfectly well in Word - you can navigate to it with a keyboard shortcut and then it's only a mouse click. I am not sure you'd get it shorter than that.

[venta.livejournal.com]

I don't necessarily want shorter per se., I want "works consistently across applications".

Which may of course be impossible. Following zotz's comment below, it looks like I'm back to having an application-agnostic way of adding acute accents, though, which is back to where I thought I was when I started!

Surely there's an equivalent for adding umlauts, if only I knew it!

[ar-gemlad.livejournal.com]

In Word, the standard shortcut is Ctrl+shift+: then a u. But I generally end up using Word then copy-pasting for other apps (such as Google translate)

[zotz]

I didn't know they were playing. It's not on their website and hasn't been on their mailing list. Maybe I should pencil in a trip south . . .

The Garage used to be a fine place. I saw Fad Gadget's last gig there (I'm on the DVD and everything), ballboy, Miranda Sex garden, Whipping Boy. I'd be very tempted to go there because I've never seen them in a small venue, although I like the Forum a lot too.

For me a ü is (right-alt + ") then u, but it's probably different on yours.

[venta.livejournal.com]

You should definitely pencil in a trip south, it'd be lovely to see you.

That shortcut doesn't work for me (I think you're Linux?), though I note that right-alt-u does give me another shortcut for u-acute, which I don't really need! Ooh, although that one does work in Word, too...

[zotz]

Going by the Relentless Garage's listings, they look like different events rather than two concerts.

What's with this Relentless Garage bit anyway? It sounds like a 3rd-division indie band. The Haunted Fishtank's tribute act, perhaps.

You on Windows?

[venta.livejournal.com]

What's with this Relentless Garage bit anyway?

In this day and age it seems everyone has to have a sponsor (cf. O2 Arena, HMV Forum, HP Brown Sauce Shepherds Bush Empire), and the Garage is now under the aegis of the scary engergy drink Relentless.

XP here.

[zotz]

AltGr + p , maybe?

The Academy in Glasgow used to be sponsored by Carling (or "a leading urine rebottler" as I was occasionally known to describe them) but now it's O2. Or O² or O₂ or however they spell it.

[venta.livejournal.com]

AltGr + p , maybe?

ú again. Bloody French-obsessed keyboards.

Oxford's Carling Academy is now _O² too, so presumably that was a job-lot change. Fortunately I'd only just got round to using its newfangled name The Zodiac, so I'm not much more wrong now than I was anyway.

[erming.livejournal.com]

The garage has been massively redone and I've heard that it went from being a bit of a scummy venue to somewhere quite nice with a bigger capacity and sloped floor rather than on 2 levels.

However I haven't been to the Garage since it has re opened.

Of course you could be decadent and go to both gigs :-)

[venta.livejournal.com]

I don't think I could, I'm too broke to be decadent!

[ringbark.livejournal.com]

Saw Nazareth there a couple of months ago. Pretty decent venue. Standing only. Bar charges sensible-ish prices.

[snathe.livejournal.com]

Try [ALT]+0252 on the numeric keypad (it doesn't work on the number row on the main keyboard)

[venta.livejournal.com]

Still not quite what I want, see above (http://venta.livejournal.com/337934.html?thread=4971790#t4971790)!

[skorpionuk.livejournal.com]

OMG (if I may be permitted one of those!), I didn't know EN were playing! This is very, very tempting, as I've never seen them live - a major gap in my gigging book.

If you're going to make it about money, then the Garage tickets are cheaper.

Naturally, I hear you re: the umlauts business, a frequent issue for me.

I'm aware of the following methods:
1) ctrl+:, then a/o/u. This works in Word.
2) alt+xxxx (0228=ä, 0246=ö, 0252=ü). Works in Word, and Rich Text editors (I think - works in this comment box anyway).
3) &Xuml; for HTML. Don't think it applies anywhere else.

I realise you've already discounted all these methods in other comments, so would be interested to hear if there are more than three methods.

[venta.livejournal.com]

Yup, for various reasons Sunday would be more convenient for me potentially than Saturday, so it may well be the Garage. If it doesn't sell out before I get my finger out :)

1. Ctrl-:-u sounds like exactly the sort of thing I want, but I want it to work everywhere.
2. Alt-0252 doesn't work for me in Word (though it does in RTEs). Is there some ferocious Word checkybox I need ? I am using Word 2007, which pretty much means all bets are off, though :(

[skorpionuk.livejournal.com]

Indeed - well, I'll let you know which one I go for in case it helps you make a decision :)

1. Agreed! It's a great method - it makes sense to add two dots to a letter, doesn't it? And the same logic applies to /+o for ø, and so on.
NB this is a two-step process; the way you've written it above makes it look like you press everything at once.
2. What? How odd! It's fine for me, using Win7 and Word 2007; it has worked in all previous instalments of same, tho I've not tried it on non-MS systems. I think others have already said that it's a number-pad-only function, so I expect that's not it... very strange.

[venta.livejournal.com]

1. Yes, I should have written Ctrl-: u. I got carried away :)
2. I have XP and Office 2007, so I guess it's just me :( Maybe I don't believe enough or something.

Subject to confirmation from t'other half, I'm definitely going for Sunday.

[undyingking.livejournal.com]

Alt-0252 works fine for me in Word. I'm using XP / Office 2002, which I note is earlier than yours, but it would seem an odd feature for them to remove. What happens when you try it? But there is no depth to Microsoft's infamy I guess.

(And, in a small voice because this will sound very patronizing, but you never know: do you have Num Lock applied, as it won't work without that?)

[venta.livejournal.com]

do you have Num Lock applied, as it won't work without that?

I do know that, of course I do... and er, if I'd remembered to check that it was applied maybe I'd have noticed that it wasn't :) I always leave Num Lock on, since I don't use the number pad for anything else, but apparently it got unapplied at some point.

And thus didn't work. Which it does now.

Ahem.

[undyingking.livejournal.com]

Excellent, now you can ülülate away like a good'un.

[metame.livejournal.com]

Simples.

Just buy your laptop on the continent and a few dedicated keys will have you áççèñtîñg in no time. I just press eg. the "acute accent" button and then whichever vowel I wanted and it works.
SHIFT-Acute is an Umlaut, SHIFT-Grave is a circumflex. This being a Spanish laptop I have dedicated keys for ñ and ç too. ¡¿Excited yet?!

Only downside is adjusting to not look at the keys and press Acute when you meant Apostrophe. Particularly as nothing goes to screen (cos it is waiting for a vowel) until you press something else which adds to confusion.

[shrydar.livejournal.com]

You're seeing Einstürzende Neubauten? I'm jealous!

Oh, and for me it's option-u then u, but that doesn't help you very much.

[venta.livejournal.com]

Filthy Mac'em :)

[shrydar.livejournal.com]

Give ower,that's fighting talk, that is. Ootside!

(or, "I see what you did there, but it's a long way from Gateshead to the Stadium of Shite" :)

[venta.livejournal.com]

Don't be ridiculous, this is the internet - reading other comments before posting is considered most unreasonable ;)

I'm intrigued by the w-circumflex, though - presumably you speak (or at least type!) Welsh? As a first language, or a learned-after-the-fact language ?

(No reason, I'm just curious and/or nosy...)

[kneeshooter]

Oooh, I'm likely to get somewhere... let me know which you decide and I'll join you.

[venta.livejournal.com]

Just bought tickets for Sunday at the Garage.

As zotz points out above, though - it looks like it's a two day event in two places, rather than two concerts, so the smart money might be on buying the two-day ticket.

[kneeshooter]

Hmm. Interesting choice.

[venta.livejournal.com]

As erming pointed out elsehwere (http://venta.livejournal.com/337934.html?thread=4978190#t4978190), it seems like only the Saturday is a "proper" gig.

Shame, since I bought tix for Sunday!

[erming.livejournal.com]

Einsturzende Neubauten:
"3 Decades of Einsturzende Neubauten - 2 Nights of celebration"


HMV Forum / Sat 16 Oct / 7pm / £22.50 adv
Relentless Garage / Sun 17 Oct / 6pm / £15 adv
Tickets for both nights £33 adv
Einsturzende Neubauten return to London to celebrate 30 years. The 1st date at the HMV Forum will be a full Neubauten live show and the 2nd date at the Relentless Garage (across all three rooms) will be a Neubauten programme consisting of live performances, film screening and Q&A .