I know what it means to work hard on machines

[venta]

I need your help. Yes, yours.

Could you tell me - before you read what's under the cut - what you think constitutes a machine. Include any specific things it must or must not have. You may continue in comments if a textbox isn't long enough.

[Poll #1186515]

Recently I was involved in a guessing game. As games go, it wasn't a great one, it was "guess what Simon's second favourite sport is". Now, Simon is your typical pale, thin, smart indiekid who, in defiance of all stereotypes, plays a lot of football.

At the point at which I joined in the game, it had already been established that Simon's Second Favourite Sport (SSFS) involved a machine. Further questions established that the machine was not used for scoring, was integral to the sport...

Eventually, SSFS was identified as cycling. At which point I felt decidedly cheated. Firstly, because I don't think cycling is a sport - it's a means of getting from A to B, or at best a passtime. But I'm aware others don't agree on this one.

Secondly, I'd never call a bicycle a machine. I'm aware that they have been historically referred to as machines, but whenever I read it it strikes me as odd. After some thinking, I finally pinned down the problem: in my mind, a machine must be somehow powered (oil, gas, electricity, clockwork, but not human).

I feel it should also have moving parts, and perform some task which would otherwise be done laboriously by hand. However, the more I think about it, the more convinced I am that my definition wouldn't stand up in a court of law. My classification is much more arbitrary than I'd thought.

So...

[Poll #1186516]

When challenged, I insisted that bicycles should be categorised as "contraptions".

Comments

[hughe.livejournal.com]

i supose i see them as things with moving parts and/or input->do something->output.

i see an iron more as a powered appliance, where as a washing machine as a machine, as it has moving parts. same for the cooker.

[venta.livejournal.com]

Do you mean a cooker is the same as an iron (powered appliance) or a washer (machine) ?

[hughe.livejournal.com]

same as the iron.

although i supose it would depend on what it does. i dont see heating as a feature of a machine.

a central heating cyctem i'd see as a machine, but that has water pumps, electric water valves etc.

but the oven/iron is on the line i think

[feanelwa.livejournal.com]

What if it has a fan?

[bateleur.livejournal.com]

Or a digital timer?