Help, help... FAO
kneeshooter,
davefish,
nalsa or anyone else who can wield a camera best out of three.
A couple of weeks ago I finally summoned the courage to ask if I could take a camera along to a gig; I've been wanting for some time to experiment with this gig-photo-ing lark. Sadly, gigs seem to divide into two categories: sufficiently large that you need a pass, and sufficiently small that it seems rude not to check with the band first. The latter should be easy, but I'm very scaredy.
The gig was in a tiny pub, and I thought a flash gun would be quite annoying to the people on stage, so bought a fast film[*] and trusted to luck. With hindsight, that was a big mistake. I took the pictures at f-buggerall to try and get the exposure time as short as possible, but it was nowhere near short enough.
Pretty much none of the pictures I took are at all presentable, but below the cut I present a few of them anyway in the hopes someone can offer a bit of constructive advice. OK, so the advice may well be "use a flashgun, you fool". (In which case how, with a small stage, do you do it without being intrusive and a nuisance?)
The Good Ship, in Kilburn, is very dark. Really very dark. Except for one highly directional spotlight, which lights up at most one person on the stage. Any tips for how to approach such a stage (with a camera) would be very welcome.
Incidentally: I own several SLRs, none of them is digital. So if your suggestions involve swapping between different ASAs, please remember that means me carrying several cameras around, which is rarely practical :) Also, I can't check photos on the fly to see if they're working; it's a few days at the developers before I know if a shot came out. Everything I own is manual focus, so anything poorly focussed should be blamed on me not the hardware.
[*] Well, 1600. That camera can only handle up to 1600, so I didn't have a lot of option :) I do have a camera which will cope with 3200, but I doubt it would have made a massive amount of difference.
Edit Now with fixed markup, so it looks nicer. Honestly, what a lot of fuss over a missing >. And no thanks to the Semagic client's "preview" for displaying it all correctly and thus making me miss the error.
A couple of weeks ago I finally summoned the courage to ask if I could take a camera along to a gig; I've been wanting for some time to experiment with this gig-photo-ing lark. Sadly, gigs seem to divide into two categories: sufficiently large that you need a pass, and sufficiently small that it seems rude not to check with the band first. The latter should be easy, but I'm very scaredy.
The gig was in a tiny pub, and I thought a flash gun would be quite annoying to the people on stage, so bought a fast film[*] and trusted to luck. With hindsight, that was a big mistake. I took the pictures at f-buggerall to try and get the exposure time as short as possible, but it was nowhere near short enough.
Pretty much none of the pictures I took are at all presentable, but below the cut I present a few of them anyway in the hopes someone can offer a bit of constructive advice. OK, so the advice may well be "use a flashgun, you fool". (In which case how, with a small stage, do you do it without being intrusive and a nuisance?)
The Good Ship, in Kilburn, is very dark. Really very dark. Except for one highly directional spotlight, which lights up at most one person on the stage. Any tips for how to approach such a stage (with a camera) would be very welcome.
![]() | If you knew her very well, you might just about recognise this as Rebekah from Ciccone. I reckon I could possibly get away with one or two photos this blurred and call them artistic - but when 95% of your film's come out like this it smacks pretty heavily of incompetence. I'm sure it'd have all been fine if the little blighters on stage didn't move about so much. Incidentally, these images are fairly ropey scans, and then they're compressed so's not to eat my webspace. So the prints look slightly better - but trust me, not much. |
| This thoroughly nondescript photo is just included to try and give some sort of idea of what the stage set up was like. Notably, very bright in a highly localised spot, and very dark everywhere else. | ![]() |
![]() | This is Simon Indelicate, standing directly under the spotlight. Which means he's nearly in focus. Unfortunately, it also means that his hand is mostly whited out, owing to the glare. I have no idea how to avoid that. |
| Fortunately, the bass player actually stands quite still some of the time, so it was nearly possible to take a photo of her that wasn't completely blurred. | ![]() |
![]() | I think this is the only picture from the whole film which I could plausibly pass off as a reasonable photo. I'm actually quite pleased with how it came out (it does, at least, look like I was intending it to). Accordingly, aesthetic comments on this one are invited ;) |
Incidentally: I own several SLRs, none of them is digital. So if your suggestions involve swapping between different ASAs, please remember that means me carrying several cameras around, which is rarely practical :) Also, I can't check photos on the fly to see if they're working; it's a few days at the developers before I know if a shot came out. Everything I own is manual focus, so anything poorly focussed should be blamed on me not the hardware.
[*] Well, 1600. That camera can only handle up to 1600, so I didn't have a lot of option :) I do have a camera which will cope with 3200, but I doubt it would have made a massive amount of difference.
Edit Now with fixed markup, so it looks nicer. Honestly, what a lot of fuss over a missing >. And no thanks to the Semagic client's "preview" for displaying it all correctly and thus making me miss the error.





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Date: 2006-04-03 08:40 am (UTC)2. Get as close as you can to the subject.
3. If you've got a light meter in the camera, use spot metering. Or centre weighted. Don't use overall field, because it'll try to expose for the dark background and you really don't want that. Better still, if you've got a handheld meter take some readings of the group during sound checks, before the gig starts, and adjust your exposure times accordingly. You could also take a tape measure, so you can focus for distance
4. Only use flash if you can get very close to the subject. Don't try to take photos of the whole group unless you can...
5. Use a faster lens; if you've got a f1.8 50mm, use that.
That last photo is pretty good, I have to say. Because you got close enough for the subject to fill the frame it's not been overexposed (unlike the others) and so it's not wobbled either. Nice use of depth-of-field, too.
Using 1600 is fine, but the results will be grainy. You might like to think about using B&W and processing at home (daylight tank, black bag & chemicals take up very little space) and scanning negs rather than trying to print. That way, you can push-process your film if you need to and shoot a couple of stops faster than the 1600 your camera will meter for.
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Date: 2006-04-04 10:58 pm (UTC)I do have a tripod, but I dislike taking it out as people assume you're competent the more kit you have.
3. My camera must contain some form of light meter, but I have no idea how to persuade it to do spot metering. Would I be right in thinking it's a facility it may not have ?
I own three hand-held light meters (or am in possession of, I think technically one belongs to
Do my own developing ? Scary. Don't you have to be, like, educated and stuff to do that ?