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Does anyone know anything about The Vagina Monologues ?

I'd been told, by people who I'd regard as reliable, that they were extremely funny. Last night, I accidentally found a performance on the telly. The 2 minutes I watched seemed to consist entirely of a woman explaining how she'd "reclaimed" the word cunt, and then repeatedly saying it in different silly voices.

Which the audience seemed to find hilarious. Which I found incomprehensible. It's not like I found it offensive, it just... wasn't funny.

[One Notional Kudos Point to anyone who realises why I suddenly remembered about this :) ]

Re: Next time I shall have to be more clear...

Date: 2003-03-07 05:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cardinalsin.livejournal.com
I agree that this is to some extent a social exercise (I do in fact think that a person can meaningfully be said to "reclaim" a word on their own, and that this might have benefits for them which do not require reference to the rest of society).

I certainly think this sort of thing could be meaningfully examined by sociologists (is that is what you meant).

I don't think these two facts are related, in this context. If people's misappropriation of the word "cunt" does in fact damage the image of women in society, both in the eyes of men and in the eyes of women themselves, it would be extremely difficult to prove in a satisfactory manner. The sort of conclusions we are likely to reach through sociological examintion are "a significant proportion of women feel the casual use of the word 'cunt' is offensive", "some women who find themselves unable to cope with their sexuality blame the casual usage of 'cunt'". We aren't likely to be able to say "in general, women's rights and status in society are threatened by casual usage of 'cunt'".

Without wishing to get melodramatic, I think this last proposition is true. I don't think changing the way we use this word is likely to have major effects. Nor do I think that it is to blame, in anything more than a very small way. But then, I'm sure a single advertising billboard for cigarettes has very little individual contribution to the problem of youth smoking. I'd still object to one being put up in my town, and I'm still pleased they have been banned.

For the most part I think this sort of action (word reclamation) is a positive thing, certainly not something to be frowned upon. I don't think it will have world shattering effects, but that isn't the point.

Re: Next time I shall have to be more clear...

Date: 2003-03-07 06:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
Just to seize on a completely irrelevant point...

I'd still object to one being put up in my town, and I'm still pleased they have been banned.

Have they been banned? I missed that.

I remember advertising tobacco on TV became illegal when I was about 7, but there were billboards about quite recently (weren't there?)

Re: Next time I shall have to be more clear...

Date: 2003-03-07 07:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cardinalsin.livejournal.com
Yeah, they have. I'm not sure when the law comes into effect though.

Apparently the Lambert and Butler billboards did some kind of "They're banning us sir" "well fuck them, butler" type routine. Which would no doubt be funny if I could remember it properly :)

Re: Next time I shall have to be more clear...

Date: 2003-03-07 07:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cardinalsin.livejournal.com
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/371407.stm says they were banned from July 2001. I am now beginning to feel confused, since I am sure it didn't actually happen until quite recently and hasn't been put into full effect.

:/

Re: Next time I shall have to be more clear...

Date: 2003-03-09 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onebyone.livejournal.com
No, that date didn't really happen. It was actually as of 14th February:

http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2002/20022865.htm

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