Oh, hangman stay your hand
Mar. 16th, 2005 12:59 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ventaI had meant to write lots about the folk festival I went to, at home in Darlington, at the weekend. But somehow I've not quite got round to it, and it's now days-old news. That's practically last decade on Livejournal.
However, two separate threads on other people's journals have got me thinking this afternoon. Firstly,![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
edling was commenting on Cat's practice of knocking holes in eggshells to stop witches using them as boats. stompyboots pointed out it sounded like exactly the sort of thing I'd do - which I concede it does, though in actual fact it's not a superstition I'm aware of.
In general, my day-to-day life is hedged around with such habits and rituals. Whenever I put new bedclothes on the bed I deliberately tuck the bottom sheet round the foot-end of the mattress first, mentally hearing my mum's voice chanting first the foot and then the head, that's the way to make a bed. I put the pillow cases on the pillows, and turn the open ends away from the door to ensure I won't leave the bed in a coffin.
I let devils out of bread (as explained to Stompyboots), I avert a third crisis by breaking a matchstick, if the palms of my hands itch I rub them on wood to make sure my finances are safe. These things are so automatic that now, trying to list them, I can't think of many. When a magpie flies across in front of the car I bid it good morning, and enquire after its family, without even thinking about it.
As a passing digression, I haven't absorbed into my daily life superstitions which my parents didn't appear to go in for. I cheerfully walk under ladders, and I don't throw spilled salt over my shoulder. Thirteen seems quite a friendly number to me. I can think of at least one I believe I invented for myself - if I get out of bed during the night, I pull the bedclothes back over the place I've been lying to keep the devil out. I have no idea why this seemed necessary.
I should add, indicentally, that the devil isn't the chap who turns up in hellfire church sermons. The devils I try to avoid are the folk-story type, scheming, keen to enter into bargains with humanity, easily recognisable and none too bright.
And yet, in all this, I wouldn't describe myself as a superstitious person. Do I believe that failing to rub an itchy left palm against wood will result in me losing money ? (left for leave, right for receive). No, I don't.
Which leads me to the second thread, which was one of these answers-to-questions-about-myself posts. One question was "At what age did you find out that Santa Claus wasn't real?" I don't know my answer to that question. The obvious response is to cry "What ? He's not real ?"
Father Christmas is as real to me as he ever was; at Christmas I still put out my stocking (actually a small string bag made by my Dad) and when I wake up in the morning it contains small presents, wrapped in different paper from the giftwrap I or my parents are using that year. When I was younger (and went to bed before my parents on Christmas Eve) I used to leave out mince pie, sherry, and a carrot for the reindeer. Father Christmas was a very real figure, who would visit me if I'd been good.
And yet at the same time, some part of me wasn't really expecting that there was a real, tangible elderly gent hurtling through the sky to deliver parcels all over the world. I remember my nextdoor neighbour telling me that "it's just your parents really" - it didn't shock or surprise me, I already knew, had always known, and it didn't in any way stop me from believing firmly in Father Christmas. I still do.
I can believe six impossible things before breakfast; I can certainly believe two mutually contradictory things round afternoon-tea-time. The glib answer is, of course, to say something like "Well, it's all paradigms, innit?"
But no, I don't think it is. I don't consciously shift between the two views of the world, they co-exist quite happily in my mind. Neither is my "real" view of the world. Writing something like this is something of a struggle; I desperately want to prevent myself committing in writing somewhere that I concede that Father Christmas doesn't "really" exist, it goes against the face of me the world sees all the time.
Maybe the rich tapestry of folklore and myth is just something I've woven for myself in an attempt to impose order and justice on a world that seems to be sadly random. A sweet cloak to provide reasons for things, and to give me some hope of fending off the bad stuff. I prefer to think that the folklore is just something that's become engrained in me because I grew up with it, something I've retained because it makes the world that little bit more interesting.
My world is peopled with witches (possibly waterborne ones, since I leave eggshells unscuppered), devils, demons and countless other spirits. I take what precautions I can to keep the more malign ones at bay, and do my bit to ensure that the sun will come back each year and that the apple crops won't fail. Escapist ? Maybe. But it's a good world.
However, two separate threads on other people's journals have got me thinking this afternoon. Firstly,
edling was commenting on Cat's practice of knocking holes in eggshells to stop witches using them as boats. stompyboots pointed out it sounded like exactly the sort of thing I'd do - which I concede it does, though in actual fact it's not a superstition I'm aware of. In general, my day-to-day life is hedged around with such habits and rituals. Whenever I put new bedclothes on the bed I deliberately tuck the bottom sheet round the foot-end of the mattress first, mentally hearing my mum's voice chanting first the foot and then the head, that's the way to make a bed. I put the pillow cases on the pillows, and turn the open ends away from the door to ensure I won't leave the bed in a coffin.
I let devils out of bread (as explained to Stompyboots), I avert a third crisis by breaking a matchstick, if the palms of my hands itch I rub them on wood to make sure my finances are safe. These things are so automatic that now, trying to list them, I can't think of many. When a magpie flies across in front of the car I bid it good morning, and enquire after its family, without even thinking about it.
As a passing digression, I haven't absorbed into my daily life superstitions which my parents didn't appear to go in for. I cheerfully walk under ladders, and I don't throw spilled salt over my shoulder. Thirteen seems quite a friendly number to me. I can think of at least one I believe I invented for myself - if I get out of bed during the night, I pull the bedclothes back over the place I've been lying to keep the devil out. I have no idea why this seemed necessary.
I should add, indicentally, that the devil isn't the chap who turns up in hellfire church sermons. The devils I try to avoid are the folk-story type, scheming, keen to enter into bargains with humanity, easily recognisable and none too bright.
And yet, in all this, I wouldn't describe myself as a superstitious person. Do I believe that failing to rub an itchy left palm against wood will result in me losing money ? (left for leave, right for receive). No, I don't.
Which leads me to the second thread, which was one of these answers-to-questions-about-myself posts. One question was "At what age did you find out that Santa Claus wasn't real?" I don't know my answer to that question. The obvious response is to cry "What ? He's not real ?"
Father Christmas is as real to me as he ever was; at Christmas I still put out my stocking (actually a small string bag made by my Dad) and when I wake up in the morning it contains small presents, wrapped in different paper from the giftwrap I or my parents are using that year. When I was younger (and went to bed before my parents on Christmas Eve) I used to leave out mince pie, sherry, and a carrot for the reindeer. Father Christmas was a very real figure, who would visit me if I'd been good.
And yet at the same time, some part of me wasn't really expecting that there was a real, tangible elderly gent hurtling through the sky to deliver parcels all over the world. I remember my nextdoor neighbour telling me that "it's just your parents really" - it didn't shock or surprise me, I already knew, had always known, and it didn't in any way stop me from believing firmly in Father Christmas. I still do.
I can believe six impossible things before breakfast; I can certainly believe two mutually contradictory things round afternoon-tea-time. The glib answer is, of course, to say something like "Well, it's all paradigms, innit?"
But no, I don't think it is. I don't consciously shift between the two views of the world, they co-exist quite happily in my mind. Neither is my "real" view of the world. Writing something like this is something of a struggle; I desperately want to prevent myself committing in writing somewhere that I concede that Father Christmas doesn't "really" exist, it goes against the face of me the world sees all the time.
Maybe the rich tapestry of folklore and myth is just something I've woven for myself in an attempt to impose order and justice on a world that seems to be sadly random. A sweet cloak to provide reasons for things, and to give me some hope of fending off the bad stuff. I prefer to think that the folklore is just something that's become engrained in me because I grew up with it, something I've retained because it makes the world that little bit more interesting.
My world is peopled with witches (possibly waterborne ones, since I leave eggshells unscuppered), devils, demons and countless other spirits. I take what precautions I can to keep the more malign ones at bay, and do my bit to ensure that the sun will come back each year and that the apple crops won't fail. Escapist ? Maybe. But it's a good world.
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Date: 2005-03-16 01:54 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2005-03-16 02:00 pm (UTC)It's always a source of much amusement to me how easily foiled evil spirits, demons and the devil seem to be according to folklore.
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Date: 2005-03-16 02:01 pm (UTC)Dammit, we need those boats, selfish bloody
ex-christiananglosaxonfascistsuperstition. vandalism!
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Date: 2005-03-16 02:03 pm (UTC)I pull the bedclothes back over the place I've been lying as well. It gets jolly cold if I don't. I've never heard of the devil being a metaphor for cold before ;-).
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Date: 2005-03-16 02:04 pm (UTC)There's the world the way I believe it ought to be, where what we as people do and believe matters, a world where such things as beauty, truth, justice have reality, and then there's the factual world of particles and chaos, which doesn't care about people in the slightest. I get derrided for being a naive* optimist when I declare that I want to be part of the former, not the latter. I re-read Hogfather (T Pratchett) recently with a lot more sympathy than the first time round - I'm with siding with Terry's expressed views on this kind of thing.
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Date: 2005-03-16 02:05 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-03-16 02:07 pm (UTC)Something I was reading earlier quoted Philip K. Dick - "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away". Now if anybody could be expected to have a slightly tenous grasp of what is and isn't real, it's Dick, so this could be more of a lifejacket than a philosophy, but it's close enough for jazz.
This is why it's so important that superstitious beliefs be cultural rather than individual. If everyone else believes it, or merely is aware of the belief, then it doesn't go away just because you stop believing, although it may have less tangible effects.
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Date: 2005-03-16 02:08 pm (UTC)So, you're saying that next time I hop out of bed to fetch a drink, and don't pull the bedclothes up, there won't be a devil in my bed when I get back ?
Can I have that in writing ?
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Date: 2005-03-16 02:09 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2005-03-16 02:12 pm (UTC)Different set of superstitions/rituals but similar sort of theory.
The oddest is the I picked up from Mykl (can you catch these things, like measles) whereby walking over an odd number of grids/manhole covers in a line is bad, by evens are lucky. This results in some strange pavement antics probably entirely inappropiate in a "grown up". Its odd that 6 years after I last heard from the guy I still do this.
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Date: 2005-03-16 02:14 pm (UTC)I'm saying that if you didn't believe in devils there wouldn't be, whereas even if you didn't believe in burglars there might be one of those. And that if everyone except you believed in devils, odds are that you'd start to believe in them during or very shortly after that encounter.
Fortunately burglars, even if you do believe in them, are very rare. Since you believe in devils, on the other hand, the little buggers are odds on to show up given half a chance.
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Date: 2005-03-16 02:15 pm (UTC)It was good enough for Newton.
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Date: 2005-03-16 02:15 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-03-16 02:17 pm (UTC)(It was actually the version of Prickle-eye Bush on the Bellowhead EP I'm currently listening to).
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Date: 2005-03-16 02:19 pm (UTC)</snarky>
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Date: 2005-03-16 02:20 pm (UTC)My parents do that! ... Er, I mean, Father Christmas does that. Yes. :-) I know what you mean about the two views co-existing, though.
Maybe the rich tapestry of folklore and myth is just something I've woven for myself in an attempt to impose order and justice on a world that seems to be sadly random.
If it's an attempt to impose order and justice on the world then it's one you share with lots of other people. I have kind of confused beliefs about whether the patterns in the world are imposed by us or whether they're "there", pre-existing, for us to find -- it all gets a bit tree-in-the-wood at that point -- but the memes of superstition and mythology are so densely woven that in a way I think they take on as much existence outside our heads as other consensus myths, like society, and money.
Will stop waffling now, sorry.
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Date: 2005-03-16 02:31 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2005-03-16 02:35 pm (UTC)I suspect my rock-bottom gut feeling is that light is just light, it's not like a wave, it's like light :) I always learned about the wave model first, which probably helps it seem more sensible.
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Date: 2005-03-16 02:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-03-16 02:39 pm (UTC)I mean seriously: How can something in the real world be continuous like that ? Breaks my intuition completely. Not that quantum mechanics really improves matters - just means that everyone else gets to be as puzzled as I've been all along.
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Date: 2005-03-16 02:41 pm (UTC)No, they tend not to climb into your bed and snuggle up under the duvet. Generally they just nick your stuff then sod off again.